Idi, Vidi, Verte — Renegade Evolution Style (Or…How Bob The Guilttripper Meets More Than His Match)

Sexy Sex Intellectuals, The Feminist Sex Wars, The Fighting 101'st Progressive Headbussa Brigade, The Sex Pox, The War on Sex/Sluts/Gays/Whatever November 24th, 2008

So….Renegade Evolution did a roadie to Minneapolis this weekend with one thing in mind: intellectually bust Bob Jensen’s head in  (figure of speech, Clones) at the latest screening for The Price of Pleasure.

From the looks of things, and her reset of all the happenings there, she must have succeeded.

Unfortunately, she wasn’t able to film the festivities, but there is hope the debate sponsors can provide her with their own clip.

Fortunately for us, she recounted all the fun at her blog. Some highlights:

Prior to the viewing, introductions were made, and for the most part everyone was very nice, but I noted right off the bat that Prof. Jensen did not seem at all pleased that I was there. PF [Plan(s)feminist, who arranged for the debate between Ren and Bob the Guilttripper] introduced me to him, I smiled, he did not, he tersely shook my hand, said “Hi”, then completely turned his attention elsewhere to initiate a different conversation with PF (who is awesome and totally worth initiating conversation with, yet still, I found this very rude). There was a journalism student there who wanted to interview me, so I went someplace quieter to speak with him for a few, then it was time to get things underway. The order of events was gone over: Jensen would introduce the film, we’d watch it, I’d make a statement after the film, then Q&A time.

Gee,,,how friendly of you, Professor Jensen….does she threaten you that much??

Later, after Jensen previews and then shows TPoP (the edited, pixellated version, BTW), Ren attacks..straight, hard, and without mercy.

I informed the viewers that they had just received a crash course in Gonzo and BDSM porn, but contrary to what the film claimed it was (which it does claim, in bold white print on a black screen), it is not indicative of the top selling and renting films of 2005- in fact there is not footage from a single Feature film in TpoP at all, and the top renting/selling porn film of 2005 (and all time), “Pirates” is not even mentioned. Nor, in any of the BDSM porn shown, is there a single female dominant featured, which within the genera of BDSM porn is a very, very popular theme. I also mentioned the way the interviews were set up and presented- very brief commentary from people involved in porn amid some of the roughest content they had filmed or content taken not from porn films at all-but rather from web sites versus lengthy humanizing statements from non-porn /anti-porn people was somewhat slanted, as was mixing drawings from torture manuals in with BDSM footage as no one who has ever been actually tortured as a political prisoner or whatnot signed on, consented and got paid to do it. I also mentioned that many people engage in sexual acts such as BDSM play consentingly in their bedrooms…and you know, there were a fair amount of people sitting there in the audience nodding when I said that.

Jensen rebutted this saying the footage they used was pulled from the most popular thirty films of 2005. Which is untrue.**

Actually, as Ren noted in a footnote at her blog, most of the material came either from the more extreme gonzo vids from sites like JM Productions, or from kink Internet sites like kink.com…and most of them were simply slanted and adjusted to fit the producer’s biases.

Just go over to her blog and check out the full story.



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Another Bob The Sexual Guilt Tripper Update: Winning Converts One Smear at a Time

Sexy Sex Intellectuals, Stop Reading Your Fax, Fool!!, The Feminist Sex Wars, The Sex Pox, The War on Sex/Sluts/Gays/Whatever November 12th, 2008

It’s been a while since I’ve done a pile on on Robert Jensen, my all time favorite male self-flagellator and antiporn crusader….and he’s been busy as a Stormcloud honeybee of late.

First off, he’s been busy pimping both the featured slideshow Stop Porn Culture, and doing a traveling minstrel show pimping the antiporn “documentary” The Price of Pleasure to mostly unsuspecting audiences.

Except, when he tried to sell the snake oil of TPoP in Los Angeles last week, he got the surprise of his life: a small crew of some of the adult sex media’s most trusted spokespeople decided to raid Bob the Sexual Guilttripper’s show to call him out on some of his smears and lies about their profession and the women who performed in it.

Oh..and guess who was in the Truth Squad, if you will?? Yup….that would be Ernest Greene and Nina Hartley, who — along with Mark Kearnes of AVN, porn auteur/columnist Gram Ponante, and performers Mika Tan and Vanessa Blue, amongst others — buttonholed Jensen from pillar to post.

Ernest has documented all of the juicy details of the roasting over at the Blog of Post-Porn Activism, and Mr. Ponante has done a similar review of what went down here as well.  Suffice it to say that it was pretty interesting to see Jensen attempt to crawfish himself away from the distortions of his “documentary”.

I’d strongly recommend you read their essays in full to get the effect of the back-and-forth..but if you are too lazy or busy at the moment, I can allow Mika Tan’s succinct two-line sentence beginning her protestation of TPoP’s misrepresentation of her profession speak for a condensation:


“I am very disappointed in this movie. It’s inaccurate. And defending it, you have begun every sentence with a disclaimer.”

Oh…and speaking of disclaimers….after surviving that roasting in LA, Jensen hopped a plane to San Francisco where he participated in another presentation promoting another antipornfeminist project, the Stop Porn Culture slideshow sponsored by himself and Gail Dines.

Now, when you venture into Frisco, and you do anything sex wise, you have to deal with the wrath of Violet Blue, full time sex columnist and rebel troublemaker for all things sex-positive.

Violet decided to use antiporn feminism in general and SPC in particular as her own pinata for her most recent Open Source Sex column that appears in print at the San Francisco Chronicle and online at SFGate.com….and managed to unearth some fascinating info about the complicity of the “feminist” producers with some not-so-feminist activism. Quoting Violet from her column, via her awesome Tiny Nibbles blog:

There’s a new anti-porn movement in town, and it’s — the feminists again. I know, whatta letdown. But I’ve got quite a few surprises in this week’s column, Please Use Porn Responsibly: Violet Blue’s concerns about the new anti-porn feminist agenda. No, you won’t believe what these people are saying and doing — some really legally questionable stuff. In this post, I have the screencaps from my investigation for this column, where I discovered that the main website for the nonprofit is by — you guessed it — Christian conservative extremists. In bed with feminists, again… Wow, so 1970s. Click the images to read the whois data better…

The reference is to the fact — quoted by Violet in the column — that the domain owner of the Stop Porn Culture website just so happens to be an organization called “Skyward-bound Productions”, which states on its home page that one of its main missions happens to be (quoting from a Google cached copy of their home page) :

“…assisting churches and non-profit organizations [to] get the materials they need to spread the ministry of Jesus Christ.” [...]

She even manages to smackdown Bob the Guilttripper a tad:

It’s great to see the new antiporn agenda; their arguments are full of holes as usual, but they’re gaining traction by appearing to be unbiased and reasonable — and non-religious. Like, look at this totally unbiased piece running in the SF Gate / Chronicle the same day as mine. (That’s irony, folks.) I really wish I’d known Mr. Jensen was going to be in town today: I have a radio interview from 2-? downtown, dance class, and then and a private dinner celebration all coinciding at the same time he’ll be at Modern Times Books on Valencia tonight. Anyone want to go ask him a few questions for me? Seriously: I’ll send you three questions to ask him, you record the results, we’ll put it here. It’s a real offer, and they are serious questions.

I’m sure that Professor Jensen would be thrilled to have a sincere and honest debate with Violet.  Really, he would.

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