There is hate, and then there is HATE.

And then….there is PURE, SIMPLE HATE.

Example #1: Luckynkl, the plucky radrightfeminist who continues to break new records in hate.

She was the one, if you will remember, who launched the attack on transgendered folk a while back as innate rapists who were attempting to appropriate REAL women’s bodies….hence, her support for a bathroom check at certain radfem festivals.

But now, it appears that time has not healed all wounds with her; it simply makes her that much more…..well, hateful and disgusting.

Case in point: this thread that took place over at a message board called RadfemSpeaks (an compliment to the Genderberg board for GenderBorgians, I figure) which Renegade Evolution just so happened to locate (or, rather, it must have located her). The original subject happened to be MAN’S apparent obsession with anal sex…which led directly into the topic of men playing with their own excrement. (Yeah, they went THERE.) Here’s Lucky’s initial contribution:

[Posted by Luckynkl on 11-21-08 @ 5:50 PM]

I have a couple of theories.

Young children are often fascinated by such things and animals often show upset by defecating or flinging feces. So put 2 + 2 together. Basically, men’s emotional development is stunted under patriarchy so they don’t tend to progress much past the age of 5.

It should also be noted that altho most feminists think men are the standard, I contend they’re not. To be a man, one must be “not woman.” So men observe what women think and do and then do the complete opposite. Because men don’t have an original bone in their bodies and have to take their cues from women. That’s why women are the standard, not men.

Men don’t do human maintenance so women usually get the detail of cleaning up all the shit, piss, vomit and stink of their families. Most women don’t find this fun or amusing. Which is why men do. Anything that will shock or repulse a woman, they’re into. The more shocking, vile, or repulsive, the better. See above about men taking their cues from women and doing the complete opposite to establish themselves as “not women.”

It’s also done to get attention. Negative attention is better than no attention. Anything that is vile and repulsive is almost guaranteed to bring shock and thus, attention.

Why anyone would want one of these mutants is beyond me. Just go buy a puppy or go work in a daycare. You’ll experience the same thing. Except kids and puppies are cute. Men are not. But men think they are and they compete fiercely with infants and 2 year olds for mommy’s attention. They all seem to suffer from Peter Pan syndrome and all dream of having mommies without any authority.

Oh, I get it….men are simply so obsessed with getting back at women for being so superior (despite the fact that patriarchy teaches that men are indeed superior to women) that they simply have to fling their own shit in response..literally. And that also explains why men are so obsessed with anal sex (and, I guess by extension, it explains gay men, too). So that’s why we REAL womyn have to inspect the genitals of all women to make sure that transgendered folk don’t pollute and contaminate our precious womyn’s spaces.

Of course, this brilliant ANALysis encouraged other members of the tribe to spout their own theories on male anal obsession.

[posted by helzeph on 11-22-08 @ 4:36 AM]

Also there is a gland, (the prostate) that apparently gives pleasure when stimulated via the anus, plenty of men say ( not usually to us) they prefer being fucked to fucking. I always think, oh good, go and attach your bum to the bathroom door handle and leave women in peace.

Re the bowel movements, because of the above mentioned anal gland, when the feces decsend the other part may rise, rather like they feel they are being done from the inside out, or something, not being one I cannot be precise. Anyway I think they use defacation as a masturbatory aid and that’s why they spend so long on the loo.

They moon because they think their bums are desirable, which they are to each other, at least while their behinds are young. Everything they do to women in porn they are busy doing to themselves and each other all the time.

I agree with Lucky it is much better to get a puppy, they really are lovable, and while on that subject; it is very true to say that no dog is safe from me.

Keep dogs in the house and men out of doors.

Of course, the basic fact that women do have prostate glands and can gain pleasure from anal sex as well is lost on these Mensas…but why let facts get in the way of a good male baiting??

Some further extrapolation followed:

[posted by mangetout on 11-23-08 @ 8:12 PM]

Heteronormalcy is not normal, hence forced upon us by church and state. Left to their own devices, most people (female and male) would probably be homosexual with a bit of bisexuality thrown in - let’s face it, those of the same biological sex have a much better idea of what feels good. So the homophobia is to force everyone to conform to the het system in patriarchy. And men probably have more homosexual leanings than women (Ancient Greece). So in part, I think it is an expression of that. But I also agree with the childish nature of men (above). I would therefore propose the anal fascination is for a variety of reasons.

Most men don’t actually like women very much, and certainly prefer to hang out with other men. Whilst bum fucking women, I am sure that the man concerned can pretend she is a he for a while. I am sure there is a link between repressed homosexuality and the anal rape of women - many victims of domestic violence report anal rape as well as vaginal rape. Anal ’sex’ with women is a good way of saying I hate you, just look at ATM in porn, can’t be any clearer than that.

And in case you missed the subtle hint of gay male bashing, here comes another commentator to make it not quite so subtle:

[posted by bonobobabe on 11-24-08 @ 9:49 AM]

I think that anal sex is also a good way of saying, “I hate myself.” I work in the microbiology department of a medical lab, but you don’t need to be a microbiologist to know that the rectum is a filthy place. Here’s my favorite statistic: 60% of the mass of a turd is bacteria.

Why would a man put his penis, which is supposedly his crowning glory, into a shithole? Seriously. Oh, don’t try criticizing anal sex for any reason on a liberal site, all the faggots will cry, “Homophobe!” and they’ll eat you alive. I don’t care. It’s disgusting and filthy, not to mention not good for the tissues back there. There’s a media doctor here in the states who’s always on about rectal prolapse and anal sex.

I believe that men wouldn’t put their dicks in such a disgusting place if they didn’t feel that they were disgusting themselves. They probably just extrapolate from that that if someone consents to anal sex, they are just as disgusting, too, and therefore, deserve any bad treatment they wish to dish out. And women consent to stuff like that because they have low self-esteem which was caused by men in the first place because they felt bad about themselves.

[Bolded emphasis added by me.]

Well, how about that??? So, it really is all about the “faggots” and their anal obsessions invading straight men and corrupting them to do the same to women….right?? Radical Feminism, meet NARTH. Luckynkl and Bonobobabe, say hello to Fred Phelps. I’m sure that you will get to know each other very well when you share the same prison. In Hell.

But apparently, it’s not just men who are capable of throwing their own shit around. Oh, noooooooz, even some of the purest radrightfeminists are perfectly capable of resorting to leaving their turds in the holy water, so to speak.

Which brings us to mAndrea, RadRightFem Loony #2….who decided to choose the Transgender Day of Remembrance 2008 memorial at The F-Word to break off her own drive-by colon blowout at those who suffered the ultimate price of transphobia. (BTW…as a straight but not narrow progressive Black man, allow me to give my full support and prayers and thoughts to all those who have paid that ultimate price for other people’s myopias and hate; I’m so sorry that I couldn’t have blogged my support that day, but you may certainly count me in in solidarity.)

[posted by mAndrea on 11-21-08 @ 4:03 PM]

Normally, we consider people who use their emotions in place of reason to be utter fucking morons.

The basic premise of transgender ideology is that girl and boy brains exist, and are different from each other. Girl brains luv pink, and are rilly soft and gentle. Boy brains luv blue, and are rilly hard and aggressive.

The basic premise of feminist ideology is that no such difference exists. Oops, we have a discreptancy!

Since some women are quite the aggressive fuck, they must be a boy. Therefore, they are transgendered. Amazingly enough, wanting a penis is not required for women to be an aggressive fuck, so something is quite illogical regarding your theory.

Perhaps insanity is the answer.

Never mind the Palinesque complete lack of tact and timing, or the errors of conflating “transgendered theory” with traditional right-wing antifeminist notions of biological differences between genders….exactly what the fuck does “aggressive fuck” have all to do with transgendered women and men being murdered??? I guess that Brandon Teena was justified in being slaughtered and killed because she was attempting to copy men by aggressively stalking them??

Fortunately, the originator of the TDR and blogmistress at The F-Word, Helen G, wasn’t falling for any of that…shit; she promptly did what anyone dealing with fascist trolls farting on their web spaces should do: Expose them to sunlight, smack them down to size, and then boot their asses into geosynchronous orbit.

FTW:

[Posted by Helen G on 11-21-08 @ 7:49 PM]

Hello mAndrea.

It’s been a long time, hasn’t it?

So then. This comment of yours: even though it’s transphobic hate speech, plain and simple, I feel it’s worth publishing as an example of just one sort of violence that people like you use to attack trans and other gender non-conforming people across the world on a daily basis.

Of course, your violence isn’t the physical violence used to murder my trans sisters and brothers named in my post; and it isn’t the mental violence that pushes others of us into taking our own lives. But even verbal violence such as yours is still violence, and it cannot be tolerated by anyone with even an ounce of humanity, with a heart, with a soul. Logic and reasoning aren’t even required.

And it hasn’t gone unnoticed that you singled out a post made on our Remembrance Day. It’s my guess that you have done this as a shock tactic similar to the desecration of headstones by fascist thugs.

It’s a means of getting attention, and on this occasion I’ve decided to oblige you.

Why? Well, here’s the deal, girlfriend:

As long as I am a blogger at The F-Word, I will never again publish any comment of yours that may arrive in any mod queue for which I’m responsible.

That’s all. Game over.

Thanks for stopping by, enjoy your 15 minutes.
Helen

That is what I call “cleaning out the barn.” And standing up to bigotry dressed in “radicalfeminist” drag.

Tags: radfems go wild again, radical right feminism, transgendered bigotry

Part Deux of our adventure featuring Heart of Women Spaces and her “pornstitution” myopia….

When we last left, Heart(less) was dispatching Renegade Evolution for the evol slut and sellout and enabler of rape and rapacity that only the God Emperor of Rome would represent in the eyes of the Good Radicalfeminist Womyn.

Now entering, from Stage Left: Jill from Feministe, the blog that a few months ago actually featured Ren Ev as a guest blogger on many topics, which probably steamed Heart(less) that much more, considering that in her mind, only like-minded GenderBorgians should be allowed to post in “feminist’ blogs. The main point of Jill’s post was to challenge Heart’s premise that women who enjoy sex for free (or at least say that they do) are doing a bad deed for women who are actually raped and abused (or those women who Heart claims are raped and abused and degraded by association with porn or prostitution or even a simple male erection.

[Posted by Jill on 11/14/08 @ 6:41 PM]

Huh. So when I have sex with men for free. I’ve never been paid for sex (at least not explicitly — I suppose some might argue that maybe dinner counts). Am I lowering the standards to rock-bottom? I mean, all these women giving away sex for free helps to create and sustain a market for sex, which means that some men will choose to pay for it. Are all of us who have consensual not-for-pay sex now complicit in the abuse and torture of women who are trafficked, raped and otherwise brutalized?

I have very conflicted personal views on pornography (my views on whether or not it should be legal to make and distribute are far less conflicted), but I don’t buy for a minute that a woman who does porn for free because she’s making it herself — in other words, because she’s going to make money off of its eventual sale — is somehow responsible for the exploitation of other women who don’t have that same privilege. Privilege is a tricky thing to navigate, and feminism doesn’t give us clear answers, but in my understanding, neither framework is supposed to be used to beat other people over the head with. Feminism is not a tool to shame other women. Understanding the dynamics of privilege isn’t a way to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator, or to guilt people for what they have.

We are all part of complicated systems of oppression. We are all complicit to one degree or another; the difference is, some people are outright exploitative of others and seek to cause harm. I don’t know Ren personally, but I read the same blog of hers that you do, and I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone would put her in that category.

And anyway, this post isn’t about Ren. It’s about the systematic exploitation of women. And yet somehow, the villain of choice is a sex worker herself, demonized simply because she doesn’t consider herself to be a victim? Come on.

Now…considering the usual brand of censorship that takes place at Womens’ Spaces, you’d think that that post would still be in moderation….but it was approved by Heart. Probably, because, in her mind, it enabled her to unfurl her banner, clear her throat, and unleash her pixellized wrath, and settle all the scores and vendettas that she had with Feministe for allowing a infidel and a slut like Ren Ev to post there.

The result is this long, windy, and quite telling comment that more than anything else reveals the madness behind Cheryl Lynn Seelhoff’s methods. Just sit back, relax, and allow me to be your friendly guide though this maze of bullcrap….and I’m providing running commentary all the way through just for langiappe and clarity.

[Posted by admin (Heart) on 11-15-08 @ 11:02 AM]

Jill, women having sex “for free” on their own terms in the privacy of their own bedrooms is not on a par with women creating videotapes of brutal, violent sex, or apparently brutal, violent, sex, and disseminating them over the airwaves, over the internet and into the homes and sexual psyches of however many men and boys, and girls and women for that matter, watch that stuff. Pornography and prostitution are “constructors.” We talk a lot as radical feminists, and other kinds of feminists, for that matter, about “social construction”, about the way nothing is “essential,” nothing is “inherent” or “immutable,” in other words, about the way people are not “just born that way.” People are the way they are not only because of accidents or incidents of their births but because of what they see in the world, what they learn in the world. The sexuality of little boys and little girls, of men and women who grow up seeing, or, in whatever manner, end up watching brutal sex in which women are tortured, brutalized, degraded and shamed are in fact having their sexualities *constructed* in that watching. They’re learning this is what sex is, this is what is really sexually exciting and titillating, this *humiliation of women*. This torture of and brutality towards women.

Remember, now, we are talking about “gonzo” porn here, featuring women who actually say that they not only consent to doing such stuff, but say that they enjoy the acts they do…or at least, they act like they do. Some people would say that that probably doesn’t meet the qualifications for rape, which consists of violence that is imposed without the consent of the victim (and usually with direct physical violence and injury. Some people, though, never met the likes of Cheryl Lynn Seelhoff and the Womyn Warriors of the GenderBorg, who have a…..well, a different view about consent and will and human nature.

Also note the implication that Heart raises that young impressionable girls and boys, if exposed to such evil, degrading, and essentially violent sex, will automatically respond that it must be “acceptable” and that that must be the ONLY way to engage in sex…thusly, gonzo porn (if not ALL porn) must be censored or banished to save womanhood and girlhood from the degradation of the male penis. Riiight…like rape and torture of women never existed beyond the tainted walls of a porn studio (or that men have never been abused or tortured or even raped).

Are you putting that out in the street? Are you filming this kind of sex and putting it out there for public consumption? Are you talking about what you’re doing 24/7 on your blogs in the company of, for example, guys who are the creators of extreme SM pornography and magazines affiliated with Hustler Magazine, in the company of various dungeon masters and you name it, all of whom are creating these kinds of materials — brutal, violent, degrading, humiliating sex for public view — for the general public? I don’t think you are. And no, whatever you’re doing, or other women are doing, for free in their own houses is not what I’m talking about there.

Shorter translation of Heart:That’s right, Ernest Greene…I’m calling your ass out right now, you brutal slaveholding rapist murderer male leftist MAN. You might be able to force Nina Hartley to be your concubine and “willing slave”….errrrrr….life partner and wife, and sell your brutal S&M deSade festivals and mass rapes to the public as “consensual BDSM”, and collude with that child molestor/serial racist Larry Flynt in imprisoning women with meat grinders…but we radicalfeminists are hep to ‘ya. And that goes for you too, Kink.com….we know that you were really behind Abu Gharib just fess up and admit it.

I mean, if someone puts a noose up in their yard in a threatening manner, or burns a cross, that person can do time and well they should, absolutely, because they are engaging in hate speech. If someone decorates their home, yard, business with Nazi insignia they may well do time as well. Because our society has determined at long last that at least some forms of “speech” are so destructive, so toxic, so hateful, so murderous, such a blight on the psyche of human beings that as a society we will not tolerate this kind of thing in the name of “speech.” And why? Because this kind of “speech” is only free speech for some. It’s free speech for racists. It’s free speech for white supremacists. Nobody is going to go into somebody’s home and arrest them for drawing their own pictures that only they see or for enacting their own racist scenarios, and why? Because they’re not disseminating that in the public sphere. When stuff like this is widely disseminated in the marketplace and just among the general public without legal consequences or ethical or moral sanctions — in magazines, in books, on the internet, television, movies– the message to one and all is, this is fine, this is good, there is no harm in this, this is all good times, this is free speech. And what gets lost is, for the victims of this stuff, or those who were victims and those who remember, there is no free speech. There is only, again, free speech for racists and white supremacists.

Ahhh…first off, Heart(less), most hate speech laws attempting to regulate away such actions as cross burnings and nooses on trees have been declared unconstitutional abridgments of First Amendment rights of free speech…the very same First Amendment that allows you to render your speech as well. Secondly, isn’t the answer to such “hate speech” not censorship but to simply overwhelm it with speech that promotes the truth and exposes the inherent lies and smears that such “hate speech” inevitably relies on?? Plus, burning crosses and hanging nooses on other people’s lawns isn’t just “hate speech”; it’s also tresspassing on other people’s property and threatening them implicitly….which, last time I checked, didn’t require any notions of “hate speech” to be considered illegal and actionable BEHAVIOR.

Oh…and just because such “hate speech” may be put out on the Internet or on television or in the media does not make it any more actionable merely because it is considered to be “hate speech”. Or, perhaps, you really do believe that people should be held responsible for their innermost thoughts if those thoughts don’t meet some politically correct criteria?? (I mean politically correct as in right-wing, centrist, OR left-wing standards of conduct.) If so, then that makes you, Ms. Seelhoff, to be the very person that “hate speech” laws were created to control and prevent….namely, a fascist.

And all this is to compare neo-Nazis and Klansmen and White Citizens Councilmen to…..gonzo porn starlets?!?!?!

In the same way, it’s one thing, again to do whatever a woman does in private. I’m not saying that what a woman does in private is meaningless– it is not. I think what she does in private is always political. But there’s a difference between that and filming something and sending it out into a world that basically endorses ANY — that means ANY — depiction of torture, rape, murder, humiliation of women.

Oh, I see….a woman’s private sexual affairs should be grounds for political critique and correction if those affairs don’t meet your “feminist” criteria….especially when it is used to depict “torture, rape, murder, or humiliation”.

You blog at Feministe. You know what that’s about. You read your spam queue, you read your incoming searches. You know that haters are out there 24/7 looking for incest materials, torture materials, rape materials, brutal sex, and you know what? They are finding that stuff. And they are getting off on it. And the abundance of it reassures them that there’s nuttin wrong with that, all the cool kids do it, I mean, what are women for, after all, but to be bound, gagged, tortured, humiliated, debased, why, after it’s all done, they put a big SMILE on their face, it was nuttin’ but a thing, you know?

Oh, really??? Does Heart(less) know that much about Feministe that she can read their spam queue to know that people over there are looking specifically for incest porn or kiddie porn or “brutal sex”?? Never mind that they can get plenty of that without ever setting foot in Feministe…or that they could just as well use search engines connected with sites like…Womens’ Spaces???

And what about the millions and millions of men who use the same search engines for the overwhelming majority of porn that displays….well, none of the above?? You know, like…..simple things like….single women masturbating, or couples having vanilla sex, or a couple sharing their spouses with another willing person?? Or, even…two or more WOMEN having sex??? Oh, but that doesn’t even exist in the GenderBorgian mind….ALL sex not approved by Heart IS by nature “brutal” and rape.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry over your coming here to my blog in your, as far as I know, inaugural comment here, to scold me for “shaming” women and “beating women over the head” and for being a bad feminist. Ha. Bitter and really, really cynical ha. I think in the context of this discussion, your scolding and apparent self-righteousness are absurd. I am thinking about all of the little 12 and 13 year old girls — yes — on Myspace posting photos of themselves in degrading, debased sexual situations and positions. I am thinking of all of the little 12 and 13 year old boys all the way to one-foot-in-the-grave men getting off on what these little girls are posting. I am thinking about the way those little girls and those boys and men have the view of sexuality they do, and of women’s place and women’s bodies they do, in part because the internet, the airways, the movie houses, the theaters, the publishing world are FILLED with this kind of imagery, imagery in which women, again, are gang raped, raped, period, bound, gagged, brutalized, manhandled, cuffed around, and again, this is what women really LIKE, the message is, this is what women are FOR. And so as women and feminists we say NO, some of us, we have to say NO, this is NOT what a girl’s body is for. This is NOT what a woman’s body is for. We were not born to be gang raped. We were not born to be brutalized, tortured, bound and gagged and to LIKE it. This is not the world we created and want. When we say this, we pay for it big time, and why? Because this IS the world as many men and many boys do want it, they want it to stay that way, witness your and my spam queue, witness your and my incoming searches, read the newspapers, watch the news, all we have to do is look around.

WOW….if we are to believe Heart, MySpace is now a hotbed of kiddie porn. Really. All those teenagers in bikinis and short skirts and sports bras…you know they are really attracting the pedophiles. Now, MySpace is pretty damn hard on adult images, enough so that several adult performers have had their journals removed for even linking to their sites or even posting suggestive pictures. But 13-year-olds posing suggestively and allowing themselves to be “brutalized” and “raped”??? Fine with them!!

But all this is a moot point anyway, because, in the mind of Heart, it’s all about the MEN and the BOYZ, who seek women like Renegade Evolution and conclude from watching her that ALL women are worthy of being raped and brutalized…because that is what MEN and BOYZ REALLY, REALLY WANT!!! KIIIIIIIILLLLLLLL THEMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!1111ONETHOUSANDONEHUNDREDELEVEN!!! (Or at least, castrate them and save their sperm so that we can propagate the species.)

The demand that is created by all of the above and similar things and phenomena for brutal, misogynist sex ends up fulfilled for the most part by the most marginalized women and girls in the world — children, the poor, the abused and abandoned, drug addicts, homeless women and girls, kidnapped women and girls, women who endured the “boot camp” of rape, gang rape and incest coming up. They are openly kidnapped and trafficked throughout the world, or because of their limited options and vulnerabilities, they end up trafficked throughout the world in some other manner, and then they can’t get out because they don’t have the power to, because they are sick, because they are debilitated, imprisoned, beaten by their pimps or procurers or johns, disocciating, and so their lives are an endless, enduring hellhole of pain, torture, degradation and shame that many do not survive. The pain and torture will not end even if they are so fortunate as to find a way out. Ahead of them will be years and years of post traumatic stress and physical infirmity, often manifested as severe pain in their bodies, pain for which doctors and health professionals have few answers.

Not that I deny that any of that doesn’t exist….but what about the rest of the women whose porn experiences aren’t even close to being that brutal, Heart?? Do they even have the right to even exist?? What about the overwhelming majority of men who actually consume sex work or porn that do manage to treat their clients/performers with respect and dignity?? Do they fall through the Matrix and get dissolved into the GenderBorg Memory Hole because they don’t quite fit into your fantasy world of Woman-as-Essential-Rape-Victim and Man-As-Thrusting-Penis???

You know, my concern is about the men who are “shaming” these women and girls every moment of every day throughout the world or who can’t wait for their next opportunity to do so. My concern is for the girls and women so shamed. My concern is for every girl whose initiation into sexual encounters is or will be brutal and degrading, humiliating, because boys and men think that’s what sex is about or because the girl thinks that’s what sex is supposed to be about and she is trying to be, as a girl, what she is supposed to be. My concern is for all of the women exited or escaped from the sex trade who battle agonizing pain and debilitation every single day because of their experiences of rape, torture, brutality at the hands of men, some of whom read this blog, and not only one person, there is quite a number of women exited from the sex trade who read here. So when I encounter women who have allied themselves with powerful white, heterosexual men (Hustler and its affiliates) and who every day are making a public statement that really, brutal sex is good times, really torture is good times, when I encounter women who agree with male power that the fact that money exchanged hands equals consensual sex, I’m calling it out as publicly as it is being put out there by whoever is putting it out there, and particularly if they are identifying as profeminist. When I encounter women who do this for free because it’s just so damn much fun, guaranteed, I’m calling that out. Because what they are doing harms all of us — men and women, boys and girls — in a way that what each of us does in private never can, does or will. (Which does not mean we should not be talking a lot about what we all do in private, we should be.) What they are doing is promoting, advocating for, phenomena, practices that shore up male heterosupremacy at its very core. And in the process, of course, they shame and erase all the girls and women in the world victimized byall the men who want and buy and make this shit and who are enriched and benefitted by it, with the result that these girls and women are effectively “beaten over the head” and “shamed” for men’s sexual pleasure. I’d suggest, Jill, that your outrage might be misplaced and better directed to those who end up even more likely to be victimized because, heck, privileged white women do it for free, the cool kids do it for free, put a smile on their face and tell the whole world how great it really is, as a cast of male porn publishers, Hustler Magazine, Larry Flynt and consumers of violent, misogynist imagery applaud wildly. Yeah, that’s helpful. That really brings us closer to our full humanity as women.

Ah, yes…so the very existence of “pro-sex” and “pro-porn” feminists (or simply feminists who don’t manage to drink the GenderBorg Kool-Aid) poses a real threat of “silencing” those “prostituted women” who want to speak “the truth” about how damaging and degrading male sexuality (as expressed specifically by the kind of porn that Heart so opposes) really is….and stupid elitist, “privileged” sluts like Renegade Evolution are simply traitors and sellouts as well as mere cumdumpsters and sexbots and Sparkle Ponies who sell real women down the drain by giving approval to such “degradation” and “humiliation”.

Yeah. Just like those dirty queers and Leathermen and their public sex give real homosexuals a bad name with their spreading of HIV/AIDS and mindless pursuit of orgasms rather than searching for the true liberation of monogamy and “intimacy”. Sounds familiar, Heart???

I suppose the substance of, again, this inaugural exchange between us is somewhat unfortunate. But I tell you what, I lay awake nights thinking about how we might end the hate speech that is pornography and prostitution. Lots of us do. Because this causes grave, grave harm to girls and women. I will never stop saying that, I will never stop supporting girls and women so harmed (ALL of us) and I will never stop calling out those who are publicly insisting that really, it’s not all that. If that means I get called out for “shaming” or “beating women over the head” or being a bad feminist, then it will, I guess. I will point out, as I have here, how ludicrous that really is though. I actually do agree with you that feminism is not about shaming women or beating them over the head, but again, I think your indignation is misplaced. There are feminists who do that all the time, it’s the mainstay of their blogging careers, it’s the way they get people to read — shaming and beating other women over the head — and some of them have guest blogged at Feministe’s invitation. You might check that out.

I don’t do that kind of thing, though. You can scour my blog, you will not find it. And calling out apparently profeminist pornographers is not, I don’t think, that.

And so Heart concludes with the ultimate in projection: blaming “feminists” like Jill for allowing the likes of Ren Ev to “shame” and beat down antipornfeminists, and allowing infidels like Ren Ev to freely attack “feminists” and “silence” them.

Not at all like Heart, who has such an open door policy regarding critics of her philosophy. Just ask her friends, like Stormcloud (inventor of the infamous “Bee Anthology”, and stalker of Ren Ev, who threatened to out her to her family); or Witchy-Woo (who showed off her open-mindedness by taunting Ren Ev for her getting fired from her battered women’s shelter two years ago); or Sis/Pony (who flat out called Ren Ev a “whore” ); or Ginmar (who openly spoke that Ren was denying that she was a victim of rape when she had her nose broken recently) or….the list could go on and on, I’d dare say.

No, she doesn’t shame at all. It’s only the others who do it.

Karl Rove couldn’t have built a fascist movement much better.

Two words in conclusion for you, Ms. Cheryl Lynn Seelhoff (and this goes for the rest of the GenderBorg Collective, too): FUCK. OFF.

[Update: Ren Ev sends her finest middle finger salute here.]

Tags: nothing but the fisk, radfems go wild again

The following interview is dedicated to all those fools who want to believe that porn starlets are dumber than a box of rocks, and who can’t think anything other than their next blowjob.

Most porn women are generally intellegent. Some more intellegent than most civilians.

And some even more intellegent that certain governors of very icy states of the Union.

OK…I know….the current Vice Presidential nominee of the Republican Party and current governor of Alaska is not exactly breaking the charts as to high expectations regarding intelligent thought these days. But to say that a porn starlet actually has more brains, more compassion, and more heart — heaven forbid, a more grounded sense of morality — than a power player politician, still sounds quite stark and radical to most people.

Most people, however, have never met Lisa Ann.

This interview that she gave to the women’s fashion mag Marie Claire publicizing her role in the Hustler magazine-sponsored spoof Who’s Nailin’ Paylin? should put most of those thoughts about brainless porn starlets to rest…as permanently as the electoral ass-kicking that the real Sarah Palin (and her partner in slime John McCain) will be receiving come November 4th.

It’s the difference between Caribou Barbie/Bible Spice….and Real Live Nude Woman.

Porn in the U.S.A.

Who’s Nailin’ Paylin?

By Lauren Iannotti

A Q&A with Lisa Ann, star of Hustler’s forthcoming, sensation-causing triple-X movie Who’s Nailin’ Paylin, and dead-ringer for the vice presidential nominee.

Marie Claire: Your fans know you from your dozens of porn films, but you’ve been shot into the mainstream with news of this movie. Did you see it coming? Knowing that you look like Sarah Palin, did you know that you’d get this gig?
Lisa Ann: [Fellow porn star] Nina Hartley called me one day and said, “You know someone’s going to ask you to do Sarah Palin. And you’re going to have do it. You have the glasses. You throw your hair up. You’ve gotta do it.” And I said, “Well I want to learn more about her first.” Because it was very new, and I knew nothing about her. When I started to learn about her I remember calling Nina and saying, “There would be so many ways we could spoof off of stuff she actually says!”

MC: Is it strange the way the news of the movie has been received by the mainstream press?
LA: I think it’s awesome. We went on CBS Studios the other day and did a show for Entertainment Tonight’s Insider. It’s not even about the fact that it’s an adult movie, it’s about the fact that it’s a spoof. And, it’s comical how well received it’s been. I did a radio show the other night for some Canadian Sirius station and they were laughing because they said in other countries we don’t make fun of our politicians this way, and that’s what they love about Americans.

MC: Do you worry that when this comes out there’s going to be a backlash? Have you seen any moral outrage yet?
LA: I have. Fox News had a debate about it-one lawyer was explaining the fact that Larry Flynt does have parody protection under his First Amendment rights. The other was saying it’s unfair to depict this woman this way. And it was interesting and yes, I was fully aware of what I signed up for and any negative things that could follow it. Maybe some crazy right-wing activist will try and burn my house down-they burn down abortion clinics! But I put myself in that target spot and it is what it is.

MC: And it’s worth it to you.
LA: It is. It’s worth it to me to say thank you to Larry Flynt for paving the way for us. It’s worth it to me because finally there’s a role out there for someone who could actually come off somewhat intelligent. I get to say some lines that are so ridiculous-and they’re what she actually says!

MC: Just like Tina Fey did.
LA: Tina Fey is so priceless when she does her. I had only four days to prepare, so I didn’t get the accent down. I was too busy ordering all my suits on Macys.com, for rush delivery. I had to get them home and alter them myself because I was afraid to drop them somewhere and have them not be ready at 7 AM that Saturday morning, when shooting began.

MC: How long did it take to shoot the movie? Is it done?
LA: Two days, we did it in two days.

WATCH A CLIP OF THE VIDEO HERE (OKAY FOR WORK)

MC: Do you know if this was Larry Flynt’s idea initially?
LA: I don’t know for sure. I know it was someone at Hustler.

MC: So four days to prepare. The accent is tricky.
LA: I didn’t worry about it too much. There was enough going on in the dialogue and the banter about her hunting and all the things she says and does. I just love that she says you can see Russia from Alaska. That’s just beautiful. I can barely see Catalina because of the smog and that’s only 30 miles off the coast.

MC: Did you ever consider that maybe the choice of Palin [as VP candidate] would be good for women and you shouldn’t do a porno about it?
LA: Yes. I like to do my homework, so first I learn that she is not pro-choice. She even said that if her daughter was raped she wouldn’t let her have an abortion. And I think, come on now. We shouldn’t even be talking about that anymore. We resolved the issue and we need to move on to other things. And then there’s the fact that her daughter is pregnant. That’s a big red flag to me. You can’t run your home and you want to assist in running our country? Because that’s part of running your home-talking to your child about safe sex.

MC: But do you think there is anything of two-steps-back to the idea that she’s the subject of a porn movie?
LA: No, because she carries herself in a certain way. She’s attractive and she puts her sexiness out there. She wore false eyelashes for the V.P. debate!

MC: Did she?
LA: Yes, I was standing in front of my television talking to my girlfriend who’s a makeup artist and I said “please tell me that she’s not wearing fake eyelashes.” And she said, “Oh yes she is!” So, I mean, she puts herself out there that way. She could have toned it down a notch. She doesn’t have to try so hard to look cute. So, of course she’s going to get objectified. And, she’s said some ridiculous things that are enough to enrage people and fuel us to do something ridiculous as a backlash. And, so you know we’re supposed to not talk about it, but I’m sorry we are allowed to judge you on your actions. Athletes deal with it. Actors and actresses deal with it. That’s just how America works.

MC: She definitely goes for heels and skirts. And it’s winning points with her young male constituency.
LA: She had on that shiny, silky tight suit for the V.P. debate. Fitted around the waste. You wouldn’t wear that to your college reunion if you were trying to be conservative. And, of course all men in America are going to wonder what kind of lingerie she’s wearing. That’s how they think. For the film, I was surveying all my friends asking them, “So what do you think she wears?” I wanted to nail this.

MC: What did you go with?
LA: A fuller bottom, but still really cool sexy panty with a nice matching bra. I think her stuff matches. She’s very detail oriented. And I think she probably feels in power by having something sexy on underneath.

MC: So, obviously you’re a Democrat.
LA: I’m not, actually. I choose not to pick a gang. I go by the topics and issues that are covered by both parties, see what each candidate has to say. I will though say in this election that I’m voting for Obama.

MC: What are the issues that have led you to want to support Obama?
LA: There are definitely some tax issues, but more than anything my pro-Obama position comes from being anti-Sarah Palin. And anti-McCain because he picked Sarah Palin as an easy way to win over all of the women who wanted to vote for a woman. The fact that he thought that we would all jump on like some kind of club was silly and insulting.

MC: Were you a Hillary supporter?
LA: I was a Hillary supporter, yes.

MC: Do you take extra pleasure in being able to parody someone whom you don’t respect?
LA: For sure. They asked me the day of the V.P. debates. And I was just watching her and thinking, this is so ridiculous. So the timing was absolutely perfect. And, you know what? If anyone else would have asked me to do it I wouldn’t have. But I said ‘yes’ because it’s Hustler and it’s [CEO] Larry Flynt and he did so much to pave the way for everyone in this industry to be able to have a future, a respectable future. Remember we’re tax paying citizens, it’s considered a legal job. He fought for that. He fought for our first amendment rights.

MC: You mentioned taxes. You have your own talent agency, which is a small business. Do you worry about what Obama’s plan would mean for you?
LA: I don’t know if I would be taxed more or less. But when he says he wants to help the smallest business owners, I hear him. It’s sad that there are so many people out there who run businesses and are just getting by. We all suffer without that neighborhood Ma and Pa restaurant or auto shop, where you can get to know someone and your whole family can go to them instead of having to go to every franchise that just hires horrible employees cause they’re a franchise. Places where people care.

MC: Joe the Plumber-hot or not?
LA: Not.

MC: Not your type?
LA: No. Because he looks like Joe the Plumber.

MC: Have people come out supporting the movie?
LA: Yes! I see people at the gym who never talk to me and they are like, “You are so shrewd. That is so funny, that movie.” And they’re not in any way making fun of what I’m doing.

MC: Do you think that people are going to buy this who wouldn’t usually buy porn?
LA: You know, its funny, most of my friends aren’t in the industry. We call them “civilians.” So, when I talk to my civilian friends they all said to me its just like when the Paris Hilton tape came out. They say they’re not really porn buyers, but when that Paris Hilton tape came out you had to buy it. I think it’s going to be a gag gift. I think its going to be a big thing that people purchase just to say that they have it because it’s kind of history. I think it’s going to be a much broader range of buyers than the X-rated film. I’m planning on giving it to all of my pro-McCain friends for Christmas.

It is a total fucking travesty that Lisa Ann couldn’t run for public office. She’d make the likes of Sarah Palin look…even worse than she is. Such is our obsession for judging women by their boob size and their sex drives…and ignoring their humanity and intelligence.

Consider this interview my own personal “Fuck you” to Maggie Hays and the rest of the GenderBorg. (Background here.)

Oh….and Ann Bartow….ditto for you, too. You wouldn’t know a real pornographer if she came and licked your ass. (No pun…maybe.)

Tags: Lisa Ann, porn satire, radfems go wild again, Sarah Palin spoofs

….or should that be, YouSUCKasan…

First off, the rantage which fuels my current rage, as appearing in the original:

How does everyone in the community feel about Jenna Jameson’s pregnancy? Jameson and boyfriend, Tito Ortiz, recently announced that they are expecting twins together, and I was wondering how you felt about porn stars(or I guess ex-porn stars in Jameson’s case) having children.

Personally, I’m against it. Even though my opinion means nothing to these people, or even to others around me, I don’t think that porn stars should be allowed to have children. I feel that it is a bad environment to raise children in-and I don’t even want kids of my own-and I don’t think porn stars deserve to be parents. If prostitutes are demonised for having children, then why not porn stars? Because doing porn is “legal” and somehow less harmful for children.

I don’t care if Jenna “has always wanted children” or that she said she would quit porn after getting pregnant.. I don’t think that she should have children. If Jenna worked a legitimate job and made legitimate money, maybe I feel she would be more deserving of children. I feel pain for her twins when they grow up, being known as Jameson’s children. Imagine when they go to school, “Isn’t your mom a whore*? Does that mean you’ll be a whore when you grow up, too?” “Is your father your real father, since your mom has had sex with so many men?”

I would hate to see a child put through that kind of life, because Jameson’s career as a porn star will be with her for the rest of her life-doing porn is the only thing she will ever be known for; it’s the only thing she ever wanted to be acknowledged for: “Right now, my goal is to be the biggest star this industry has ever known.”

Not much of a goal...

Now, others more accomplished than moi (namely, Ren, Trinity, Debs, Natalia, and Caroline, among others…and especially Ernest Greene, who has actually worked with Jenna enough to know that her motherhood skills are greatly underestimated) have commented on the vileness of such comments….and even some of the most virulent antiporn feminist activists came out in the discussion thread which followed this blast in challenging asukasan’s main point. Suffice it to say that the notion of someone who herself is unwilling to have children by her own choice attempting to get into Jenna’s uterus and dictate to her when and if she should bring children into this world merely because she happens not to like Jenna’s chosen profession — or simply Jenna’s use of her body for her own “selfish” sexual pleasure — strikes me as just one notch short of outright Nazism. No, check that….it IS Nazism.

I would guess that dear asukasan would probably not be so keen to the idea of forcing women not to have children if it was directed towards, say, poor people or dark-skinned people or the differently abled. In fact, if any male even came close to openly advocating that any woman should be denied her right to control her own uterus, he would be — and rightfully so — banished to the Patriarchy where he belongs.

But, there is the real world..and then there is the GenderBorg world, where all rules collapse to the black hole of the Sisterhood of Womyn Warriors, and where women who insist on their right as women to make decisions about their own bodies are condemned as sellouts, traitors, “sexbots”, “sparkle ponies”, slaves to TEH COCK….or just plain MEN. Especially if you just so happen to like the wrong kind of sex that doesn’t meet Teh Movement’s rigid standards.

That, though, is totally secondary to my main point, which may come to a surprise to folk like asukasan when (or if) she ever leaves the protective cocoon of groupthought and actually talk to and listen to women in the real world: Porn performers are ALREADY HAVING CHILDREN, and HAVE BEEN HAVING CHILDREN SINCE TIME IMMORTAL……and the world hasn’t spun off its axis yet.

I personally know of several moms or soon-to-be moms who happen to be porn performers — whether active in movies or on the Internet — and for the most part, their children happen to grow up to be responsible, respectable, and, for the most part, normal human beings, with no more neurosis than what normal kids endure.

And as for the particular case of Jenna Jameson cited in the OP: I’m guessing that considering all the bank that Jenna has saved up, and her skills as a business woman (you do forget that she actually RUNS a freakin’ website and has actually produced films featuring performers other than her…she didn’t make all those millions only on her back, you know), I’m guessing that she will make a pretty damn good mother….a hell of a lot better than a lot of “normal” women. In fact, I’d say that her experiences in porn and her skills in the art of sex will actually be a bonus for her kids, in that she will have a hell of a lot of knowledge in the subject to pass on to her kids….not to mention that she will be more than able to inoculate them from the very bullcrap that asukasan thinks that they will get thrown at.

Besides…don’t you think that Jenna has already steeled herself against the old “‘Ya mamma’s a cumdumpster WHORRRRREEEE!!!!ONE!!!11111!ELEVEN!!!ONETHOUSANDONEHUNDREDELEVEN!!” insult enough?? After all, she’s had to fight that chant all her life from everyone, including Judith Regan (who produced her bio) to Bill O’Reilly (who openly called her a “slut”…right before soliciting her for a copy of her videos….for research purposes only, of course), to detractors from the “mainstream” media (one lovely quote from when her pregnancy was released to the public from a tabloid: “What if the baby gets stuck in the uterus from all the semen collected from all the sex she’s had in porn??”)

Of course, having all but outed Jenna and all women who engage in sex not meeting her “feminist” standards, asukasan issues the all-so-typical “But….but…I’m not really a bigot!!” fake disclaimer:

(*Note: I hate using the word “whore” when describing women, and my use of the word is strictly for thought process, because not many people-kids and young adults anyway-would ever refer to a porn star as just that. They’ll use some kind of derogatory form, such as “whore” to describe a porn star.)

Oh, but of course…we “radical feminists” would NEVER, NEVER, EVER resort to calling a “prostituted woman” or any “victim of male patriarchy” such a BAAAAAAD name….that’s reserved only for sellouts and traitors and “cumdumpsters” and “sexbots” who are in denial of the true nature of their sin…..ahhhh, I mean, their victimhood!!

Oh, and they even get it wrong on the fundamentals: Jenna Jameson met Tito Ortiz (star of the Ultimate Fighting Challenge series and father/husband) right after she formally retired from making porn….which means that she won’t even be an active porn performer when she finally raises her twins. That makes the question of her being in porn kinda moot, doesn’t it??

Not that it would matter if Jenna or any other woman performing in porn was raising a child while performing; that is their right and their privilege, and none of anyone’s damn business.

This is the molten lava of stupid, folks. This doesn’t just burn…it melts steel. And it is the fool’s gold of “feminism”, too. David Duke looks like a freakin’ liberal compared to this shit.

ADDEDUM: A bonus SYAD/STFU to the commentor who decided to add the “SO’s/boyfriends/husbands of porn stars are simply pimps” smack. I guess that these women were much too brainless to get into porn on their own, right???

Tags: Mount St. Bullcrap, radfems go wild again