Oh, but this is getting really precious:

So, Luckynickl, fearless GenderBorgian and defender of Womyn Warriors everywhere against the evol male erections and transsexuals stalking women’s restrooms, decides to do an attempt at drive-by smack at Ren Ev’s place regarding Ren’s most recent post whacking the hypocrisy of certain “radical femininsts” on porn and sex work.

The resulting lunacy is an instant classic study on how Lucky has totally lost it.

Ren’s already done her own deconstructive fisking of Lucky at her place; but I thought that this deserved a special SmackDog touch as well. So, once more, into the breach, my friends, we go…and let rip the ‘Dog of Rebuttal:

Using Ren’s fisking as the template, of course (Ren’s excerpts in pink, Lucky’s rebuttal in blue):

Certain Feminists: Porn presents unrealistic images of women’s bodies and portrays all women as objects. It defines them solely as things to be used for male pleasure.

True.

Uhhh….not really, Lucky….and how in the hell can porn be both “unrealistic” in terms of body images (and apparently, she hasn’t been anywhere near the Internet often, or she would see a much more wide range of body type diversity); while at the same time deem it totally believable in defining women as “objects to be used for male pleasure”??? As if women didn’t watch porn for their own pleasure?? (Oh, I forgot….women aren’t even SUPPOSED to even HAVE sex with men or even experience sexual pleasure with men; that is SOOOOOO…well, PATRICHIAL and MALE-identified!!! That has to be reserved exclusively for political lesbian separatists like you, right, Lucky???

These same feminists spend a whole lot of time judging women for any action or alterations they make with their bodies, outright insulting people’s appearances, and mocking rituals/styles of dress they don’t approve of.

Personally, I could care less what you wear. Hey, run through the streets naked if that’s what pulls your trigger! I certainly would if I could get away with it! However, we don’t live in that kind of world. You know it and I know it so let’s cut the crap. In lieu of this, it’s a bit absurd to intentionally wave a red flag at a bull and then start whining that you got the attention you were looking for and the bull attacked you.

Ahhh, I see, Lucky…so if any woman wears a bikini to the beach or skin tight blue jeans and a midriff-baring halter top out on the town, and then is approached by a man who proceeds to molest or even rape her, then it must be HER fault for dressing that way and inciting the supposed natural male lust to rape any woman showing a hint of skin. And ANY and ALL women who dress the same way and DON’T get molested or even touched by the majority of men are still responsible for that rape happening…because even though they were never touched and may actually be respected by most men, they still should be blamed for enticing and fueling male erections…which, according to Lucky and the rest of the GenderBorg, are the sole and exclusive source of male oppression of women worldwide.

I know Islamic fundamentalists and Christian fanatics who aren’t even that up front with that kind of antifeminist “cover yourself up” crap.

Oh…and if you have actually been to a bullfight, you would know that it is actually the BULL, not the matador, who gets beat down and killed in the end.

Certain Feminists: Porn degrades women.

True.

Speak for yourself, Lucky….there are plenty of women and men, both in and out of porn, who believe otherwise.

And notice that Lucky doesn’t argue that porn degrades MEN…that would actually be an attempt to humanize them, and we just can’t have that, now can we???

Certain Feminists: Porn propagates lies about women.

True. And tells the truth about men.

Oh, yeah, right. More men read religious texts than they do porn; there are far more sources of non-sexual imagery than there are sexual media; and we have had over 1,000+ years of organized religion and culture imposing gender inequality while opposing even the most minimal sexual expression for women….and yet, it’s porn only produced in the past 30 or so years that exposes the ultimate “truth” about men. Riiiight, Lucky…and I guess that Birth of a Nation says all there is to know about Black folk, too??

Certain Feminists: We have the concerns of women at heart.

Whose best interests and benefit do you work for? Women’s? Why would you imagine that being a penis accessory benefits women as a class?

Oh, nice…and what better way to express the concerns of women at heart than to denigrate a real live woman as “a penis accessory”. I guess that “cumdumpster” or “sexbot” were already used up, then??

Besides, doesn’t Lucky know that a lot of supporters of the GenderBorg happen to be…you know, married to MEN??? Or, happen to be MEN themselves?? I don’t know if she would be calling out John Stoltenberg or Bob Jensen for having such “accessories”, ‘ya think??

Certain Feminists: We care about sex workers.
You care about sex workers so much that you oppose them having legal rights, better working conditions, access to condoms, equal treatment under the law, and actively decry anyone who works for these things as pimps, liars, or enablers. Oh, and you care about the ones who say what you want to hear, until they stop, then, you toss them aside and slander them. Hell, most of you won’t even call them sex workers even if they repeatedly say that is what they prefer to be called!

Well, we also don’t support drug dealers, bank robbery, embezzlement, arson, murder and a host of other things even tho women do them. Oh! How rude of feminists not to support all the choices of women!

So…having consensual sex with willing men and women with compensation, and actively being concerned about their well being and protection, is now on the same plane with murder, arson, and “drug dealing”. How very feminist of you, Lucky.

Actually, I’d say that Lucky would consider sex work to be WORSE than arson or murder or even drug dealing, because of its explicitly sexual nature, and because it encourages the EVOL MALE GAZE and THE COCK, which, if I catch her meaning, is the main source of women’s oppression. Thusly, even arson (directed at adult bookstores) and murder (disguised as state sanctioned “death penalty” toward “porn users”) would be justified as a means of the elimination of said oppression. (And need I reset Lucky’s previous positions on how men should be basically reduced in population directly??)

The next one is Lucky freeballing it alone:

BTW, I don’t think I’ve ever heard a man refer to sex workers as sex workers. Shall I repeat what men refer to sex workers as? Hmmm… how comes you’re not pissing and moaning about that? You don’t have double standards, do you?

P.S. It’s only slander if it’s not true.

Oh, let me have this this one, Ren….here’s a quote from an actual WOMAN who uses one such term derided by Lucky…but in a much different context:

If these activists truly wanted to improve the lot of sex workers (which, of course, they don’t; they merely want to do away with the sex industry), they would insist upon thorough and nonjudgmental sex information for clients as well as whores. One basic piece of information would be that women – and whores – do not exist to be sexually used by men, but that any sexual interaction, including a paid one, benefits from negotiation. This would facilitate the climate of respect that anti-sex work demagogues claim is absent in a paid act of sexual entertainment or gratification. The paucity of sex-positive discussion about what is possible in a commodified context often negatively affects sex workers themselves.

In fact, when we whores see a client or when a peepshow worker or stripper interacts with a customer, the presence or absence of respect has much to do with how sex-positive the client or customer is – and something to do with our own sex-positivity. It also depends upon each person’s degree of self respect and presence or absence of sexual shame. Men who have taken (and internalized) the most damaging blows around their right to sexual pleasure are among the most unpleasant clients to deal with. Unfortunately, the well-publicized opinions of the anti-sex work crowd are highly judgmental about the motives of those who pay for sexual pleasure and entertainment. I have encountered many men whose self-acceptance – and social skills – have been impaired by hearing too much media credence given to the opinions of people who are in no position to make even an educated guess about what friendly relations between whores and their clients would be like. Sex-positive feminists are only now beginning to get enough media attention that their message can trickle down to these men and to other women.

The author of that quote: Dr. Carol Queen, former whore…..ahhhh, I mean, sex worker, sex positive activist, and founder of the Center for Sex and Culture. Is that what you mean by “what men refer to sex workers as”, Lucky???

And BTW….I refer to sex workers as “sex workers” all the time….and plenty of other men do, too.

Certain Feminists: Porn & Sex Work Stereotype women and make all women seem available or useable, willingly and eagerly, for sex.Humm, so…all men hate women, all men are entitled assholes, all men are scum, all men are stupid, so on, are not stereotypes?

Well, yeah, I think that about sums men up. But add to the list lying, thieving, cowardly bullies and by jove, I think you’ve got it!

Yeah…now, does that mean that Sam Berg, Stormcloud, and the rest of the GenderBorg are hiding their “penis accessories”?? BTW…still waiting for that apology to “The Other Miriam” for mistaking her for Ren… *crickets*

Certain Feminists: We speak on behalf of women.
Did the entire female populace of the world have an election and give you that honor and duty? Humm, never got my ballot.

Maybe it’s because felons aren’t allowed to vote?

Oh, but I thought that “radical feminism” was supposed to represent ALL women, not just those who passed the loyalty test and paid the poll tax. Silly me.

And last time I checked, Ren was a fully-abled citizen with no criminal record.

Certain Feminists: Porn Causes Rape No, rapists cause rape.

Well, no, porn is not the cause. Men are the cause. But porn most certainly does contribute to rape. Just consider it gas being poured on an already raging fire. Serial killers have admitted that porn played a major role in their rape, torture and murder of women. But you’re going to deny it? So I’m curious. How do you manage to breathe with your head so far up your ass? Scuba gear?

Now, I will ignore the “men are the cause” smack (and the not-so-thin implication that all men who have erections at the sight of scantily clad or naked women willingly performing consensual sex acts for or with them is the equivalent to rape), and go straight to the attempt by Lucky to play the “Ted Bundy” card from the bottom of her stacked deck. First off, most serial killers tend to be masters of manipulation and deception in the first place (that’s why they become “serial” killers to begin with). Secondly, they tend to be pretty much deeply sexually repressed people who act out their rages at those whom they are attracted to. And finally, they tend to target people in already stigmatized groups which do not have the cultural or political power to defend themselves….that would usually mean, they target prostitutes, sex workers, and those who fit the “slut” stereotype. You know…THE VERY DAMN PEOPLE THAT LUCKY WOULD THROW UNDER THE BUS AS INSUFFICIENTLY “FEMINIST”.

Oh…and not even Ted Bundy, for all his manipulation, even came close to outrightly blaming porn for his rages; it was that great radical feminist sympathizer Rev. James Dobson (who just so happened to interview Bundy at his Death Row cell) who egged Bundy to the “porn caused his killings” theory…..and we all know that Jim Dobson has really no hidden agendas, right??

Certain Feminists: We listen to the needs of women/sex workers.

Depends on what the needs are. See above about drug dealing, bank robbery, arson, etc.

Another reminder of the Maxwell Taylor doctrine: “We are all for self-determination….as long as they deternine OUR way.

(Maxwell Taylor, BTW, was a former US Army General who organized a large part of the Vietnam War strategy.)

Certain Feminists: Well, you can’t count on the word of women with a vested interest in the sex industry!

Well, that’s a little like asking an alcoholic why he drinks.

Yeah..because anyone who doesn’t fall head first into Lucky’s ideology is automatically spit out as either an ignorant “sex bot”/”cumdumpster” or a “paid agent of the patriarchy”…besides, we know that the real motive is to shame the alcoholic/sex worker into quitting for his/her own good and that of society. But, please, we won’t put her in jail….that’s just reserved for the “johns” and “pimps” who “use” her.

It also sets you up nicely to play a patronizing game of Mother Knows Best, by your own rules of course…

As opposed to what you advocate? Father knows best? Hey, do you think if you kiss daddy’s ass enough, he’ll save yours? So what do you think you’ll be doing in a couple of years when men consider you an old, haggard, washed up, used up has-been, and toss you to the side of the road like a used up rag doll? Or do you think with enough plastic surgery maybe men won’t notice and you can pretend you’re 18 forever?

Oh, Lucky, Lucky, Lucky…why did you have to go THERE??? For the record, Ren Ev is in her middle 30s, and is long past the usual age of which it is assumed that porn girls and prostitutes are “washed up.” Plus, she has DEGREES and stuff, which means that she will probably find a way to expand her already copious brain cells. Not to mention, she saves her money for the future.

Also..considering the most recent trending of most popular porn towards the “MILF/Cougar” brand of more mature, experienced, and assertive women, I’m guessing that Ren and other middle-aged women will not be trolling for work any time soon. Ask Nina Hartley….or Vanessa del Rio.

Me thinks that Lucky should be a bit more concerned with what will happen when most women see her ideology for the sexist, erotophobic, rancid bullshit that it is, and begin abandoning HER and her “sisters” in droves.

P.S. Stop calling yourself a feminist. You’re about as feminist as my brother’s left nut. I mean, you could sit in a garage and call yourself a car and all, but that doesn’t make you one, now does it?

Trust me on this. No one will mistake you for a feminist. You can bullshit your parents, you can bullshit your friends, you can bullshit the world. But do yourself a favor and stop bullshitting yourself, ok?

Ahhh, but how soon you forget, Lucky: Ren never considered herself a “feminist”, in fact, she’s pretty much written off the word as describing herself (that what “expatriarte” means, you know).

The real issue here, though, is how LUCKY not only considers herself a “feminist”, but decides all for herself to rid all other women who don’t follow the GenderBorg party line should not be considered to be “feminists”. Considering the kind of “feminism” that Lucky sells, I’d say that Ren’s on the right track.

And we all know from her previous smack how much of an expert on bullshit Lucky is…now do we???

Luckynickl is a feminist the way David Duke is a civil rights activist. Enough said on her.

Hmmmm….it seems that little middle-aged me has had quite an effect on a certain clique of antiporn “feminists”.

Just for fun and games, for hits and giggles, and to be totally nosy…errrrrr, informed, I decided to browse through the comments to Witchy-Woo’s aformentioned broadside against me for having the gall to question their unalienable right to bash women who don’t think that porn is the ultimate rape weapon and prostitution is the ultimate slavery.

What I found was so…well, interesting, that I had to share it with you. Rather than do the linkage thing, I will simply re-cut and paste the freshest insults…or feeble attempts thereof.

L.M. //

That I would perfectly agree with….now, where in any of my posts here or anywhere have I done such a thing as promote rape, then???

And maybe the reason why you get attacked as “man-hating sex prudes” is because…well….you just might BE man-hating sex prudes???

Oh…and why should “radical feminists” get all the credit for insisting on men to stop raping women?? I thought that that basic creed of feminism was simply plain common sense to ALL decent men AND women??

sparklematrix //

No, Sparkle….but the point was that SEX workers were being murdered, assaulted, and denied basic protections and humanity….and your side is doing all it can to deny them even more….unless, of course, they concede to your ideological definition of their existence. Oh, BTW…..last time I checked, Bob Jensen, Richard Leader, and John Stoltenberg were all men with, I assume, real live penises; will you attack them for that as well??? Oh, I forgot…they are totally on your side, so I guess that makes them “honorary women”???

thebewilderness //

Ah, yes, here we go now…..obviously, since I dare to question APRF ideology, I must be, like, a serial rapist or a genuine pimp only seeking to entrap and ensnare every woman I see…because only the most rabid penis-driven brute would ever disagree with the beauty and prestineness of antiporn feminist theory. Given all the women I’ve bedded, I should barely have time to write my blog. Or, so I wish. In your dreams, ladies.

stormy //

First off, Stormy, most of my time is spent at my job, where “slagging off radfems” is the furthest from my mind. I only do that during my off time.

Secondly, my measly salary won’t quite allow me to “use women as commodities” as much as you would think in your twisted mind.

Thirdly…does that mean that you’ll be gathering private information on my personal life, too, to be used as blackmail against me?? Don’t sing it, dearie…..bring it.

jennifer drew //

You know, Jennifer, I would agree with you wholeheartedly…except for the small issue that some women actually WANT to have men sexually accessible to them….and as long as they ask and seek willful consent, who the hell am I to object??? Actually, most men I know don’t want an “endless supply of sexually available girls” to rape and plunder; they just find beautiful women who acknowledge their gaze and their lusts to be sexually arousing and attractive. As long as they are able to respect them as full human beings otherwise, there is no case whatsoever for you to demean either the men or the women who seek and delight in that gaze.

Oh….and Hooters is sooooo past news; especially since see so much more skin and harass women in far more public venues.

And now, we get to the heavy hitters:

pisaquari //

Funny…but last time I noticed, this was located at Ren’s blog…..she invited “Dick”…..ahhhh, I mean, yours truly in to comment on Laurelin’s statement. But, I guess that that makes Ren part of the “Dick” conspiracy….if not a certified “Dick” herself???

And speaking thereof Laurelin, she gets her hooks in, too:

Laurelin //

Oh, Laurelin, you have outed me there….I am confessing right now that I am indeed a large consumer of porn….and indeed, I am Ren’s secret private john and pimp, paying her tens and ones of dollars under the cover to perform outrageous acts of freakery on me…and using her evol male patriachially-enduced sexuality to control the world through plastic tits and moist pussies and round asses!!! Feel my wrath, bee-yoches!!! BWWWHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!111ONE!!!

Or….not.

And about how I “speak” to women: Maybe you shuld know, Laurelin, that in my job, I am both over and supervised by women; I was raised by a woman, have four grown sisters, and communicate with women all my life. And yet, I manage not to rape. brutalize, or even insult any one of them. Gee, I must be really special to avoid all those temptations to rape and pillage with all the porn and prostituting you say I do.

Oh, but wait!!! Laurelin’s not quite finished:

polly styrene //

Yup, that would be a wonderful plan…..shoot all the men who have erections. And she says that I have the “illogicality gene”???

And finally, to wrap this up, Maggie Hays herself brings down the kitchen sink on me and all other :”Dicks” who dare to question her and her allies:

Maggie Hays //

Although I could go on a nice rant about the ininaties of Maggie’s blurbs, I’ve already done that previously…so I will just let her statement stand on its own dead weight and let you, the reader, pass final judgment.

Ahhh..such is the life of being a pro-porn Black male Leftist….if these fools are that discombubulated by little old me, then I must be doing something right in the world.

Keep it a coming, ladies….nothing heals quite like good smack.