….or should that be, YouSUCKasan…
First off, the rantage which fuels my current rage, as appearing in the original:
How does everyone in the community feel about Jenna Jameson’s pregnancy? Jameson and boyfriend, Tito Ortiz, recently announced that they are expecting twins together, and I was wondering how you felt about porn stars(or I guess ex-porn stars in Jameson’s case) having children.
Personally, I’m against it. Even though my opinion means nothing to these people, or even to others around me, I don’t think that porn stars should be allowed to have children. I feel that it is a bad environment to raise children in-and I don’t even want kids of my own-and I don’t think porn stars deserve to be parents. If prostitutes are demonised for having children, then why not porn stars? Because doing porn is “legal” and somehow less harmful for children.
I don’t care if Jenna “has always wanted children” or that she said she would quit porn after getting pregnant.. I don’t think that she should have children. If Jenna worked a legitimate job and made legitimate money, maybe I feel she would be more deserving of children. I feel pain for her twins when they grow up, being known as Jameson’s children. Imagine when they go to school, “Isn’t your mom a whore*? Does that mean you’ll be a whore when you grow up, too?” “Is your father your real father, since your mom has had sex with so many men?”
I would hate to see a child put through that kind of life, because Jameson’s career as a porn star will be with her for the rest of her life-doing porn is the only thing she will ever be known for; it’s the only thing she ever wanted to be acknowledged for: “Right now, my goal is to be the biggest star this industry has ever known.”
Not much of a goal...
Now, others more accomplished than moi (namely, Ren, Trinity, Debs, Natalia, and Caroline, among others…and especially Ernest Greene, who has actually worked with Jenna enough to know that her motherhood skills are greatly underestimated) have commented on the vileness of such comments….and even some of the most virulent antiporn feminist activists came out in the discussion thread which followed this blast in challenging asukasan’s main point. Suffice it to say that the notion of someone who herself is unwilling to have children by her own choice attempting to get into Jenna’s uterus and dictate to her when and if she should bring children into this world merely because she happens not to like Jenna’s chosen profession — or simply Jenna’s use of her body for her own “selfish” sexual pleasure — strikes me as just one notch short of outright Nazism. No, check that….it IS Nazism.
I would guess that dear asukasan would probably not be so keen to the idea of forcing women not to have children if it was directed towards, say, poor people or dark-skinned people or the differently abled. In fact, if any male even came close to openly advocating that any woman should be denied her right to control her own uterus, he would be — and rightfully so — banished to the Patriarchy where he belongs.
But, there is the real world..and then there is the GenderBorg world, where all rules collapse to the black hole of the Sisterhood of Womyn Warriors, and where women who insist on their right as women to make decisions about their own bodies are condemned as sellouts, traitors, “sexbots”, “sparkle ponies”, slaves to TEH COCK….or just plain MEN. Especially if you just so happen to like the wrong kind of sex that doesn’t meet Teh Movement’s rigid standards.
That, though, is totally secondary to my main point, which may come to a surprise to folk like asukasan when (or if) she ever leaves the protective cocoon of groupthought and actually talk to and listen to women in the real world: Porn performers are ALREADY HAVING CHILDREN, and HAVE BEEN HAVING CHILDREN SINCE TIME IMMORTAL……and the world hasn’t spun off its axis yet.
I personally know of several moms or soon-to-be moms who happen to be porn performers — whether active in movies or on the Internet — and for the most part, their children happen to grow up to be responsible, respectable, and, for the most part, normal human beings, with no more neurosis than what normal kids endure.
And as for the particular case of Jenna Jameson cited in the OP: I’m guessing that considering all the bank that Jenna has saved up, and her skills as a business woman (you do forget that she actually RUNS a freakin’ website and has actually produced films featuring performers other than her…she didn’t make all those millions only on her back, you know), I’m guessing that she will make a pretty damn good mother….a hell of a lot better than a lot of “normal” women. In fact, I’d say that her experiences in porn and her skills in the art of sex will actually be a bonus for her kids, in that she will have a hell of a lot of knowledge in the subject to pass on to her kids….not to mention that she will be more than able to inoculate them from the very bullcrap that asukasan thinks that they will get thrown at.
Besides…don’t you think that Jenna has already steeled herself against the old “‘Ya mamma’s a cumdumpster WHORRRRREEEE!!!!ONE!!!11111!ELEVEN!!!ONETHOUSANDONEHUNDREDELEVEN!!” insult enough?? After all, she’s had to fight that chant all her life from everyone, including Judith Regan (who produced her bio) to Bill O’Reilly (who openly called her a “slut”…right before soliciting her for a copy of her videos….for research purposes only, of course), to detractors from the “mainstream” media (one lovely quote from when her pregnancy was released to the public from a tabloid: “What if the baby gets stuck in the uterus from all the semen collected from all the sex she’s had in porn??”)
Of course, having all but outed Jenna and all women who engage in sex not meeting her “feminist” standards, asukasan issues the all-so-typical “But….but…I’m not really a bigot!!” fake disclaimer:
(*Note: I hate using the word “whore” when describing women, and my use of the word is strictly for thought process, because not many people-kids and young adults anyway-would ever refer to a porn star as just that. They’ll use some kind of derogatory form, such as “whore” to describe a porn star.)
Oh, but of course…we “radical feminists” would NEVER, NEVER, EVER resort to calling a “prostituted woman” or any “victim of male patriarchy” such a BAAAAAAD name….that’s reserved only for sellouts and traitors and “cumdumpsters” and “sexbots” who are in denial of the true nature of their sin…..ahhhh, I mean, their victimhood!!
Oh, and they even get it wrong on the fundamentals: Jenna Jameson met Tito Ortiz (star of the Ultimate Fighting Challenge series and father/husband) right after she formally retired from making porn….which means that she won’t even be an active porn performer when she finally raises her twins. That makes the question of her being in porn kinda moot, doesn’t it??
Not that it would matter if Jenna or any other woman performing in porn was raising a child while performing; that is their right and their privilege, and none of anyone’s damn business.
This is the molten lava of stupid, folks. This doesn’t just burn…it melts steel. And it is the fool’s gold of “feminism”, too. David Duke looks like a freakin’ liberal compared to this shit.
ADDEDUM: A bonus SYAD/STFU to the commentor who decided to add the “SO’s/boyfriends/husbands of porn stars are simply pimps” smack. I guess that these women were much too brainless to get into porn on their own, right???
About
Well, so much for my pledge to cut back on blogging. Thank god I don’t smoke!
But this…THIS … this shall not pass. No it cannot. I don’t know who this … person … is or how she came to your attention, and I doubt she wields much influence in the world. But unfortunately, I suspect she utters aloud the unspoken bigotry of many, many others. That is what must be addressed. She’s insignificant, but her toxic opinions must be challenged.
First they must be challenged in the specific as regards Jenna Jameson. Why? Because Jenna and I have been friends since she was 19 and while I know she fronts a pretty tough public persona, she’s really quite sensitive to exactly this sort of personal viciousness, of which she’s had to deal with more than her fair share.
So, Jenna as potential mother? Solid qualifications. Unlike so many children in this world, hers will always know they’re wanted. Jenna has desired motherhood far more ardently than any of her accomplishments in life and will love those kids with the ferocity of will that is one of her signature characteristics. Kids can deal with a lot of trouble growing up pretty handily if they’re secure in the awareness of parental love.
Jenna is also smart and worldly. Her children will have the benefit of her experience in life and of her intelligence and insight. She was extremely sharp and observant when I met her and has only gotten more so over the years, as her ambitions and inner conflicts have been tempered in the forge of a very public, and often extremely difficult life and career. Whatever problems her children may face, you can bet she’ll see those problems coming and step up to them the same way she’s stepped up to dealing with every other hardship this world has thrown at her.
As for how she’ll handle it when the inevitable day comes upon which some fool hassles them over their mother’s former profession, well, all I can say about that is some fool will be lucky if Tito gets to him before Jenna does. She has a surprisingly sweet and tender side but man, you don’t want to see the other one.
Moreover, Jenna’s kids will start life with material advantages. They will want for nothing that wealth can provide, including the best schools, the confidence that comes with economic security, the opportunities to travel, the exposure to every kind of cultural diversity, the knowledge that any kind of help they might ever need is ready to hand, the entre into whatever life courses they may choose that only the resources Jenna worked so hard to assemble can provide, in short, everything she built through a struggle no one who didn’t witness it up close can truly imagine. All that will be theirs, along with the awareness that their mother did all that primarily for them.
Let’s not forget that this pregnancy - and i pray it goes smoothly - was achieved with great difficulty after many previous attempts. Is Jenna qualified to be a mother? Fuck yeah. She put herself through hell for the chance. That should weigh heavily in any sound judgment of her fitness.
But that brings us round to the much larger question of who is qualified to judge and on what basis. How dare anyone suggest that because of a woman’s occupation she should not be ALLOWED to have children.
This … individual … didn’t couch her comments in the form of advice, or in the context of raising a questions, however rude and inappropriate, of what the possible consequences of a porn performer having children might be.
Oh no, she went straight to her proposed “solution.” Porn performers should be … what - legally forbidden to procreate? Physically sterilized by court order? Fuck it. Why not just kill them to make sure they can’t reproduce by some freak accident? Godwin’s Law be damned, that’s straight Nazi eugenics. It’s nauseating and the self-righteousness with which it’s offered up makes it all the more so. If anyone should have cause for shame here, it’s not Jenna or Jenna’s children, it’s anyone capable of committing such vile ideas to words.
The fact of the matter is that most sex workers, including porn performers, do have children. And here’s a big surprise for those who think they somehow live in a better class of society than ours: those kids seem to turn out just about as well as any other kids. Some have tough issues to work through. Some get a fairly easy ride in life. But most understand that whatever mommy does for a living, she does so they will have food, shelter and the hope of some kind of a good future.
Porn has now been around long enough for a goodly number of porn performers’ kids to have grown up, and I find them to be neither more nor less troubled as any other group of young adults I know. There is no evidence at all to suggest that their maternal parents’ occupations significantly handicapped their prospects on this planet.
Among the other things betrayed by this vile blood-libel against all of us - not just porn performers but their spouses as well - is an utter and complete ignorance of what our lives are really like. Does this … person … think that porn performers live lives of wild debauchery that would endanger their children? Off the job, most of them are shockingly normal and in many ways surprisingly conventional. They don’t bring their kids to work and they don’t bring their work home to their kids. Any suggestion to the contrary is simply too repugnant to discuss.
Well, I guess I’ve made myself pretty clear on this one. But before I go, I have to say in all honesty that while the … person … who posted this sickening slam did get a few amens from other commenters, most of what I read on the comment thread was harshly critical of what she had to say. And in all fairness, some of the most outspoken critics identified as anti-porn. It would appear that at least some anti-porn feminists still understand that reproductive justice might be just a tad bit more important than even their holy crusade against the evil of porn. So two cheers for them.
Now, if they would only go the next step of recognizing sex workers of all types as fully human, they might be quite surprised at how many other concerns they have in common with those they spend so much time denouncing.
Okay, that’s as much energy as I can expend on this particular outrage. There are too many like it to beat them all down and I’ll just let this one sink under the weight of it’s own hideousness. other than cross-posting my views on it at the BPPA.
Ernest