Nina Hartley’s Site Back Up….Sort Of
Asshattery, Sexy Sex Intellectuals, The Feminist Sex Wars, The War on Sex/Sluts/Gays/Whatever, Wingnutteria May 20th, 2008
Well….Nina Hartley’s website Nina.com is now officially back on line, after two weeks of being shut down after the hacking by those Islamic cyberterrorists. (Warning, Link NSFW)
As promised by Ernest, the free forums was a casualty of the upgrade; they will not be brought back. Ernest and Nina are currently working on creating an alternative means of interaction with her fans.
In the meantime, there’s been some flare up from some sources over the targeting of adult websites by these Islamic fundamentalist hackers. When Ernest posted over at BPPA his reflections on the motives of the hackings and how Nina is a target of a variety of ideologically diverse groups (from the antiporn radfems to Islamic fundies to the Christian Right) for her sex-positive feminist beliefs; a commentor from the right-wing libertarian blog Ace of Spades decided to lay into Ernest for apparantly slandering Christians while ignoring the real threat of “Islamacists”. Quoting a comment from the original BPPA thread:
“As usual, those on the left — here, the sexual left — can only spend a bit of time criticizing jihadists before rushing headlong to criticize those they really hate, “right wing Christian fundamentalists.” It really makes no goddamn sense. You’ve just been unlawfully harassed and cyber-attacked by Turkish jihadists, so of course you want to direct as much of your fire as possible towards people who didn’t do anything to you, besides criticize you, which is also their right as Americans.
“I find the left to be wearying and childish on this point. Their efforts to be even-handed against “all extremists” is not even-handed at all. They wind up classing those who haven’t done anything particular untoward with those who are actually illegally attacking them… which merely spares the culpable parties their proper measure of blame by dividing the load among the blameless.”
In other words, I guess that “the sexual left” should cease attacking Christian fundamentalists and focus their fire exclusively on wiping out “the Islamacists” who are the true source of all evil and the root of sexual bigotry. In short, they should wipe “Islamacists” — fundamentalist or not — from the face of the earth.
Never mind the slander on all who practice Islam — the same slander from whence the Iraq War and atrocities like the Fallujah massacre and the Abu Gharib prison, never mind the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the Occupied Territories) are born; or the arroganct attitude that cultural progressives should somehow accept “second class” citizenship behind their Christian “superiors” who basically “tolerate” them….
Of course, Ernest dispatches such bullshit with his usual clarity and depth:
For your information, our site had previously been attacked, trolled, hacked and harassed by a variety of right-wing religious extremists prior to the most recent incident. You can take whatever pride you like in having been at the head of the line when it came to trying to shout us down.
It is also your side that does its level best to put us in jail on obscenity charges, pressures government and private businesses to use all possible means toward the aim of making what we do impossible, supports “regulations” that would prohibit constitutionally protected expression by circumventing the First Amendment under the guise of mitigating so-called “secondary effects,” and on and on and on. You don’t just criticize us, which wouldn’t bother me in the slightest. Your side does whatever it can to silence us just like those you claim to oppose.
For you to come here and lecture any of us on the superiority of your way of thinking and operating to that of the other enemies of freedom would be funny if it weren’t so utterly nauseating, especially under the present circumstances.
Go back and tell your friend Ace that if I associate him, you and others like you with those you detest, it is because of the similarity of your behavior, as you have demonstrated it here once again.
Just to make this perfectly clear, I am not a moral relativist. I loathe those who oppose personal liberty regardless of their reasons or their methods.
As a Jew, I suggest you go shtup yourself.
Turns out that Ace of Spades is about as down on porn as it is with “Jihadism”: a few snippets from some comments about Nina from that site (and, my policy on linking hate sites standing, just Google for yourself):
Nina Hartley? Sounds like a rejected SNL skit. — eman
Pathetic stunt. This broad would, and has, done anything to get a little attention. I know. – “Ron Jeremy” (probably not the real one)
All these stars, ruining their entertainment with their politics. Shut up and [fuck]! I don’t know how I’ll ever watch her films again. And this DVD box set has to go! – Z Ryan [Of course, if Nina shared his right-wing politics, would he be so dismissive of her??]
More pearls of wisdom from Nina: “Christian evangelicals support the militant settlers on the West Bank, and the Likudniks accept that support without a blink, even though they know full well that these wonderful, new allies of theirs embrace religious teachings that require all Jews to ultimately convert or be damned. ” Maybe the Turks will quit bugging her now that she’s throwing the Jews under the bus. — David Ross
Nina’s still making a living with Ye Olde Vagina, huh? That snatch probably looks like it made a turn through the Rawlings factory by now. When are they going to understand that we like our pron made by braindead 19 year olds, and not forty-somethings with political opinions? — Abe Leamas
I guess ol’ Ernie’s not too comfortable with the fact that some people have less-than-full respect for a dishrag. Oh, well. Guess I’ll be one of the few guys in the world who hasn’t had her. Somehow I’ll get by. Just put one foot in front of the other, I suppose. — Fa Cube Itches
Yup…such wonderful visionaries, these men are. And this from a blog recommended by RightyBlogs dot com as a top conservative site, too.
Even Renegade Evolution, who happens to be a REAL conservative libertarian, was a but turned off by these guys, as this latest post to BPPA notes:
-No major religious faith is a friend to people involved in the Sex Biz, so really, it is safe to assume from the get-go that those of us who are in it will be skeptical of you. We have reason. A lot of legislation that makes our lives not only harder, but also more dangerous, has been rallied for and passed into law mostly due to the very loud voices of various Religious Right (ahem, Christian) organizations and Radical Leaning Feminists (which hey, is the oddest alliance I can think of, but I guess it works). When it seems to us that those factions are doing everything in their power to make our business illegal, or nearly impossible to be in, well yes, it makes us grumpy. I’m sure you all would feel the same way if it were your line of work that was being targeted.
-A couple of us have dealt with hacker bullshit and other assorted crap and frankly, we’re tired of it. Nina’s site? Islamic assholes. I got some similar kind of love and threats from some Radical Feminists. We’ve have trolls of all flavors (including Christian ones), so yeah, we’re cranky. It’s a natural human reaction to patronizing, childish antics.
-Nina herself is not a poster on this blog…though she is welcome to whenever she likes.
-Politically, the posters here vary a lot, from very left leaning socialist to somewhat right leaning libertarian to…well, a contributor from the UK who I’m not sure how she identifies. So please do not generalize our politics for us.
-Oh, and if you’re going to come here to talk or debate or what have you, sure, welcome, but save the insults on looks, brains, politics, whatever for other places. And the whole sex workers are all abuse victims/dumb/brain dead/retarded/junkie/at the mercy of a pimp crap? Don’t play that here.
And not here, either.
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